Just adopted a red/Rust 20 month old male and would like another Dobbie. Steve, To each his own on color, if it floats your boat and you love that guy or gal go for it. People that breed white dobermans are disgusting & the people who are buying them are too! The term "Doberman Pinscher" is primarily used in the United States and Canada while "Doberman" is used in the rest of the world. Any other suggestions , Me too I want a Melanistic too. And she does not look her age. Both my Black/rust girl, Phoenix and Steele get a fleece lined coat in the Winter. It isnt expensive (~ $25 for puppy, young and adult and ~ $50 for seniors per month ). Dogs should look something like a wolf, a dingo, or a fox if they had not been reconfigured by humans. Get them a fun winter dog sweater if you can. I am getting ready to buy the only black and rust puppy from an all white litter. We nursed her for 2 months and then gave in to euthanize her. Although these white Dobermans look beautiful, these dogs should not command higher dog prices. doberman pinscher puppy. I believe those batteries that have been discovered from days of old, using vinegar, were possibly used for making colloidal silver! I work for a Holistic Vet that created an incredible line of Cat and Dog foodif youre interested, I would love to set you up with some free samples and tell you more about it. My red/rust has a bladder issue and is on daily Proin. I want my future Doberman to have the best foundation of development and training, something that I fear I will not be able to provide myself. The dogs in this are really beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!! lol!! They are beautiful, rare Dobies. Youre a freaking genius. I was very intrigued. All-black Dobermans are rarely seen but do exist. Does anyone know of a reputable blue and tan breeder in the UK as I dont believe shipping a puppy from the states is good. So what if it was, so what if all breeds came about that way? Ya white blue and fawn should never be purposly bred Every since american breeders got there hands on a dobermann they have ruined the breed.. Now we have dilluted colors, whites, everyone of these types are prine to skin issues at the very least. They should have a photo of. I never had a Doberman before but I love ours even if my wallet has palpitations when going to the vet for dog related issues! Thanks for yr post. I have the white, she kept the fawn and sold the other pups. Her name was Blue. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! Shes a doll, and we dont have any issues, but its crap about her eyes being normal. Im hopeful this discovery leads to many more years for our beloved Dobermans! She is beautiful and such a wonderful loving dog! The gray color may have a charcoal gray, silver, or purple tone. both allels are white you get a white puppy (25% chance). If I did nothing he would have lost his left eye also there were only 3 dog ophthalmologists in the state of SC and had to subsequently go to Charleston, SC for his therapy to try and save his eye! I am honored to read your story. My grandmother had white and cream dobermans and she bread them. . And if they actually do their research the White Doberman has been around from the beginning. Doesnt matter which color has your doberman, matter is you have a doberman. My last one was the love of my life The perfect dog for me. and vet bill are just that vet bill make a payment arrangment or start paying the vet before yu get the dobie and have a credit before the health issues arrise or pet health insurance. Anyone who wants to be a breeder should want to breed for the betterment, not to make money or get a color thats proven to not be good for the breed! I have taken in many dogs that were not purebred and wonderful animals. Ive had them live to be 15 and some only make it to 4 or 5. The genes are often recessive: a parent carrying a gene wont show any sign that they have it. anyone with as much as a passing knowledge of animal genetics knows albinism (yes, that IS what gives it the white coat) renders ANY breed susceptible to genetic issues. In the past I had 2 German Shepperd, but after my first blue doberman all my family totally fall in love in this breed and couldnt imagine our home without doberman. One day, the gene pool might be sufficiently large enough to breed-out any unwanted traits from the initial in-breeding. This is natural. I have a all black doby! So. If at some point the color can come about without promoting bad health and temperament, then thats great. You people are freaking impaired if you think breeding a white/partial albino Doberman isnt a terrible act. I have never been owned by a White, but Ive been blessed to know several, very, very well. All my dogs have been indoor dogs so by dark mom was holding the door open for her to go in. I would have to agree there is no comparison. As an owner of Dobermans for over 40 years, my opinion is that how you raise, socialize and train a Doberman, or any dog, is so much more important than its color. A good breeder breeding for health in the whites is going to produce good whites. Some people want purebred dogs from a RELIABLE source. Heartbroken, and beginning the search for another. Check it out! While it shouldnt be on a site about dogs, its still rude. Dobermans Den is reader-supported. Thanks for sharing your story about your sweet girl. I agree that the albino is in her gene poolbut, she is NOT an albino. Although, that book does contradict itself in so many ways I digress. The breeding of the albino Doberman is disgusting and anyone who supports this interbreeding is also disgusting! Orginal and natural skin is brown due to melanin which attracts the sun and creates vitamin d and makes us stronger. It is difficult to analyse why the Caucasian colour originated in humans presumably because melanistic colouration was not particularly needed in the Northern Hemisphere of our planet. 2) Fall in love with it, and do all you can do to make its life better. But, if you speak with knowledgeable professionals, who hold no bias, you will hear, time after time, after time that the gene that carries the diluted white..DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY CARRY WEAKENED, UNHEALTHY CHARACTERISTICS.This is a fallacy. Any of my sickly pooches see the vet often and my healthy ones visit the vet twice a year for check ups and boosters. With time, love and patience he will become the dog god intended him to be. So if you breed your dog again, you have 25% chance of every pup to be white, and 75% chance to black. Much like the german shepherd the majority couldnt handle a real days work and to preform the tasks they were bred for. The instructor said she used to raise dobies and my boy fit the mold perfectly. Dogs should look something like a wolf, a dingo, or a fox if they had not been reconfigured by humans. When the first white dog occured, they inbreed her strongly. This will continue to happen regardless of how many people are advocates for or against a particular trait. As far as going from a one person house to a family environment this is doable if the dog is socialized around children. In most mammals (including humans) true albinos have pink eyes because they have no pigment at all. As a small comment, white is beautiful, in addition to being a soul and as we want them, they accept us as we are. They have KNOWN health issues far beyond the regular dobe. The one in white what type of doby is this???? I have a white girl almost 1 year old absolutely perfect health no issues whatsoever, Im looking into getting a white or a Red. I also have 3 reds and 1 black, all healthy. Even if he is expensive to keep healthy. This is the most popular and most often seen hair color. Yes, a Dobermann is the same breed as a Doberman and Doberman Pinscher. Does anyone have any suggestions on what to feed her? That means a very shallow gene pool to start out with. my biggest fear is the dog getting and then him getting into mischef while im at work. The white Doberman is not an inbred retard but a beautiful color variation of the Doberman breed. Ive been studying this breed for about 6 years now and I continue to learn so much. I believe you have them and you want to get rid of them. But if you breed them, you can get 3 sorts of puppy because the puppy get one allel from each parents: 1.) It is difficult to analyse why the Caucasian colour originated in humans presumably because melanistic colouration was not particularly needed in the Northern Hemisphere of our planet. I have a one gallon automatic waterer. She said it worked well. The whites are AKC. He lived to be 16 years old. 1. I couldnt read your whole rant cuz I got bored but my blue weighs 140 so your statement that they are small is false. I read your stories about your three Dobermans. I have raised Black and Tan, Red and Tan, Blue and Cream and Tan. I have a Blue doberman, white doberman and Black and Tan Doberman and I think the white and blue are better dogs then the black and tan. The male dog is very intelligent, very loving and affectionate, and riddled with unfixable health problems. Thanks. So my wonderful Doberman has been on a very light dose of potassium. I know they are rated as the 5th most intelligent breed, but IMHO our Dobbie was simply the most intelligent dog we owned. the average human life expectancy in the u.s. is 78 years, but that doesnt mean there wont be outliers who live longer due to genetics or other variables. I would say its do-able with certain preparation. Research your breeder! Ill introduce myself and more than one different color Doberman. Anyway, if the kids were there Nobody was getting near them. We are experienced owners have had two, and both our sons have dobermans in their households. All domesticated animals including all dog breeds are a bit of an abomination or reconstruction of natural selection and I feel that we need to be wary of pontificating or judging the significant efforts of those who believe in breeding white Dobermans. The German, or Euro, Dobermans are produced with intentions focused on the working/security dog, as intended by Louis Doberman. Only Shebah. But it is not good for the breeds future to perpetuate this mutation. any day they dont want to break your bank every time you deal with them. These Dobermans actually do have health probs there white coat shouldnt be exposed to sun I had a white dobee before. I have a red and a blue they are amazing with my children. Were u able to do anything for him. if they POP up, thats one thing but dont be an irresponsible breeder and try for a dog that will diminish the breed standard. For centuries man has made MANY, MANY dog breeds, and so what if they were interbred? As far as food for upset stomachs, usually vets recommend something like plain rice and chicken. Humans as a species have not been around, in any influential way for very long. ALBINOS (which there is scientific proof that they are in fact albinos) are always from back yard breeders. What kind of food do you recommend. As far as what information youve given, I believe there is no such thing as a bad dog but there is such thing as a bad owner. or a sheppherd dog or a wiener? Not the standard black and rust. She just wanted to sniff noses and play. White dobermans are great I have one he has no problems at all. The funny part comes in with all the responsible breeders implying that their dogs werent inbred 1000 times to get to the breed standard. Reginald, He's A Purebred Doberman Haversham | I love Harry Potter, books,supernatural,etc , WHEN THE TRASH BE SENDING. They are no Documented facts that say white Dobermans have more health problems than any other color Doberman. Shes a happy girl, and makes us happy too. This is our background. Liberal, if someone wants a well bred full bred fog with a health history, family history I then went to several restaurants and asked what could be in their used cooking oil vats prior to pick up to go to the dog food factories. The issue with white Dobermans is that all white Dobermans are severely inbred. Follow up will be in 2020, but until then no meds nor restrictions are prescribed. I think many people dont want to admit the truth about albino dogs because it resonates with whites people having white skin which is also albinism. Breeding any dogs should be outlawed in my opinion the shelters are crowded with purebreds and mutts alike. She has never had puppies despite constant companionship from a male who isnt fixed. She has the dobie markingsjust two different colors of cream. but breeding them simply for the pleasure of having a show quality dog is Dumb. But for this specific condition it may be a good idea. Currently have a red dobie who is the wildest, most hard to train girl ever! When in all reality if you actually look at some if your show / working line well bred lines per say they are severely inbreed some of them in extremely close relation . Im saying white dobes arent albinoid, but Im saying its not fact. It is a FACT they are prone to way more health problems than the other color variations. More educated people know about this so spread the word. There will of course be some adjustment as the dog learns whats expected in its new house. So far they havent ruined the Malinois or Dutch Shepherd, just a matter of time. Thank u so much for your response. She excepted my wife at 2 years old, my children when they came along when she was six with my daughters and eight for my son. So whats the right dog food or treats to feed them. White tigers are very beautiful creatures as are white lions and both occur and survive naturalistically in nature. Good breeding is done to maintain the health of the breed as a whole. If you ask me its people who are ignorant and stupid . The echocardiogram was $463. Ive had Dobies for over 40 years! You have no idea what your talking about regarding White Dobermans. This came out in the wrong place and is to Evilboo. Where to begin Ok my family purchased a blue Doberman pinscher in 2009 at roughly 2 months of age with tail docked I was given AKC paperwork regarding history of his lineage and AKC number. How much pain is tolerated so someone can have a cool looking dog? I think all dobermans are very beautiful and after I learned they come in so many colors I became very interested in the melanistic black. Like every Dobe, hes happiest when with his family (me, my wife, our son, daughter and granddaughter). Oh dear, Do you know if both of her parents were white? i have a white doverman and he is very loving hes six years old no health problem until last week he started falling like his front claws wants to turn in while he walks has anyone every had this proble please let meknow? I love the whites and blues they are great, KJ Hi, I dont know if you ever got an answerAs to where you could find a good, responsible, conscientious breeder, who may have White Doberman Puppies. Have a great forever home full of love. He is a great dog and slowly filling DINOs paw prints. But congrats on your all black doberman there are a few of us out here that want them to be recognized especially since all the false reports on them, and they are not from inbreeding. For example, if the white gene in a tiger provided resistance to any given cat disease, then breeding white tigers could potentially endow the species with a get-out-of-jail-free card in the future. The White boy is the most wonderful dog weve ever had. I wish people would not perpetuate poor information. Alert. I wonder if this is what happens with dobermanns. By far, my white girl is the healthiest of all of them, and has the thickest, most beautiful coat of all of them too. doberman pinscher playing. lol. Having said that, his eye sight is not perfect. The gray color may have a charcoal gray, silver, or purple tone. I would never say put the white dobermans down, they ARE dogs, but to purposely keep trying to breed white dobies and keep the color going is completely irresponsible. yes the whites are known to have health issues, the blacks seem ok and are rarely found anyway. Jordan is a great dog but Cleo will always be that One special dog. However it is discouraged to breed these Dobermans because of their health issues. doberman haversham vs doberman pinscher They are known as melanistic Dobermans. PS Give your head a shake. Albinism is a congenital disorder characterized by the complete or partial absence of pigment in the skin, hair and eyes due to absence or defect of an enzyme involved in the production of melanin. My friends are very happy with their new family member, shes beautiful. No one has less affection for a white doberman, theyre just pointing out serious genetic and personality issues that are likely when they are white. No-brainer. @DJ Yes. Cleo.guarded the children from day one and would stop my wife from crossing any road diagonally it was 90 degrees or Cleo would lean on the pram or pushchair so my wife had to follow Cleos wishes! Also, the skin/eye color isnt a qualifying factor for albinism just a sign of the trait. That is why most Police departments buy European GSD. She is simply the first accepted by the AKC that can be tracked this way. Her first visit to the vet we were told she has allergies, she had a double ear infection and two types of worms. I agree with you and on a recent visit to the vet with our new rescue he was pleased to see that he was 2 yrs old before neutering (we have no choice when getting a rescue) because he said recent studies showed a 15% reduction in cancers if neutered at 2 years AS COMPARED TO NEUTERING AS A PUPPY). They are done with little to no health testing as well as little to no titling. If you have ever seen a picture of Shebah you will see she was not totally white. Average $1200 - $2500 USD. While they do typically have high intelligence, friendly disposition, and minimal health issues, the opposite is also fairly common. Have some bad news for people that are upset about white dobies being the result of inbreeding. My bill at the ER hospital for meds alone was: $1400! It aggravates me when people say things like that about breeding for the WRONG reasons! Mutt dogs are said to be the best, but this is not always the case. I have a white Dobberman, he is the BEST! We have had various dobies since 1991. Both times I had been down and treated for as long as three months and the MESOSILVER CURED ME IN TWO WEEKS! 3. So the fact hearts stop instantly and the dog dies just didnt make any sense to me. All of this snobbery over an inbred animal is simply ridiculous. We are in our 60s. Its common knowledge that these white Dobermans tend to have health problems and behavioral issues. These black Dobermans are not part of the official standard for the breed. During spaying the vet discovered a heart murmur in Porsche. I guess its a yanky thing. The only issue we have had with her skin is that we have to feed her a grain free salmon based food to increase her Omega intakes. Anyone who wants to buy an albino doberman, please visit the Doberman Pincher Club of America and read on the Albino Doberman. Thats why good little republicans want to outlaw abortion because who wants an unwanted brat around. White dobermans can be sickly or healthy as can ANY other dog. in San Francisco whos up for adoption. Thank you for your support I hope you can answer. They get alot of play time together running and wrestling in the fenced yard (like 3-4 hours) then when its time for me to leave for work they are so tired, they naturally will fall asleep inside the house. People like you need to be shot. Not sure if it is the novelty of the color that makes people want them and then reality sets in Dobermans are not low maintenance dogs by any stretch. But he is, and always will be, the dog we loved the most. We got her in the family when she was about 10 weeks old and now she is 5 years old!! The pure ignorance (and arrogance) in a lot of these comments is overwhelming. What a bunch of self- flattering snobbery, 1). glean from your wisdom; resin flower hoop earrings; best-selling film scores of all time If the breeder wants to limit the White, just do add a no breed clause to a buyer contract and have the buyer sign,but dont dispose of that puppy, Im sure theres a great home out there for him or her. No, youre probably thinking the red Doberman. Females spayed at 12 months or younger, and both genders neutered or spayed at over 12 months had significantly increased odds of developing hemangiosarcoma, compared with intact dogs. Most dogs in shelters are Mutt dogs. Most of all just LOVE your Doberman because they are very sensitive and require being close to their owners/families. There is way to much overbreeding of ANY breed so dont single out the white Doberman and make shit up because you were either brain washed or breed and cant sell one of your perfect colored dobermans because someone may purchase a white over yours. Well then what your saying is Veterinarians dont know what youre talking about stop playing doctor fool. Spayed females had nine times higher incidence of hemangiosarcoma compared to intact females, regardless of when spaying was performed, however, no difference in incidence of this type of cancer was found for neutered vs. intact males. How you can psychologically mix dog breeding with human color and racism is not just astounding and blithering in its ignorance, it is also alarming. They are just as loving as any other color. MONEY. But I will say that i have never spent so much money on vet bills on any dog Ive ever owned in my life. I would not amputate his leg. Thanks so much! Thats you. Additional advice to the owners. Over the last 15 yrs it has become common to see oversize dobes (height as well as weight).
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